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		<title>By: pliantalliance.org &#187; Agile - In Theory</title>
		<link>http://blog.technoetic.com/2006/06/17/perspectives-on-agility/comment-page-1/#comment-262</link>
		<dc:creator>pliantalliance.org &#187; Agile - In Theory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The current Agile backlash is getting a lot of traction on the web lately. We&#8217;ve been contacted by or come across lots of people who agree with us and this site has got more hits in the last two months then it has since it was started. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The current Agile backlash is getting a lot of traction on the web lately. We&#8217;ve been contacted by or come across lots of people who agree with us and this site has got more hits in the last two months then it has since it was started. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Nicolette</title>
		<link>http://blog.technoetic.com/2006/06/17/perspectives-on-agility/comment-page-1/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Nicolette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

I like your analogy with martial arts. I agree that the key thing is mastery of principles rather than following specific practices. 

Here&#039;s another agile perspective for your collection: I think most of the specific practices people talk about as &quot;agile&quot; are common to both agile and lean approaches to development. To me, the differentiator between agile and lean is summed up in the first statement of the Agile Manifesto. If you hold to the principle of people over process, then you will automatically make many small decisions in the course of the day that are &quot;agile&quot;. 

OTOH, you can achieve pretty good results with lean methods, the difference being that you don&#039;t actually believe people are more important than process. Lean development is about removing waste from the process with the goal of improving the process. The emphasis remains on &quot;process&quot; at all times.

Even though there are many &quot;mechanical&quot; similarities between agile and lean, I think the belief in people is the single factor that differentiates the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>I like your analogy with martial arts. I agree that the key thing is mastery of principles rather than following specific practices. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another agile perspective for your collection: I think most of the specific practices people talk about as &#8220;agile&#8221; are common to both agile and lean approaches to development. To me, the differentiator between agile and lean is summed up in the first statement of the Agile Manifesto. If you hold to the principle of people over process, then you will automatically make many small decisions in the course of the day that are &#8220;agile&#8221;. </p>
<p>OTOH, you can achieve pretty good results with lean methods, the difference being that you don&#8217;t actually believe people are more important than process. Lean development is about removing waste from the process with the goal of improving the process. The emphasis remains on &#8220;process&#8221; at all times.</p>
<p>Even though there are many &#8220;mechanical&#8221; similarities between agile and lean, I think the belief in people is the single factor that differentiates the two.</p>
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		<title>By: pliantalliance.org &#187; Complete Abandonment Happening</title>
		<link>http://blog.technoetic.com/2006/06/17/perspectives-on-agility/comment-page-1/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>pliantalliance.org &#187; Complete Abandonment Happening</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The extreme result of the current trend of questioning the applicability of Agile is complete abandonment of all things Agile. Ravi is now going to &#8220;focus on writing good software&#8221;, which is what I thought this whole industry was about in the first place. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The extreme result of the current trend of questioning the applicability of Agile is complete abandonment of all things Agile. Ravi is now going to &#8220;focus on writing good software&#8221;, which is what I thought this whole industry was about in the first place. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: silk and spinach</title>
		<link>http://blog.technoetic.com/2006/06/17/perspectives-on-agility/comment-page-1/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>silk and spinach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;post-agilism...&lt;/strong&gt;

Recently more and more people are reporting unease at what appears to be the entrenched dogmatism of Agile (with a capital &#039;a&#039;)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>post-agilism&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Recently more and more people are reporting unease at what appears to be the entrenched dogmatism of Agile (with a capital &#8216;a&#8217;)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pliantalliance.org &#187; Recursive Pliancy</title>
		<link>http://blog.technoetic.com/2006/06/17/perspectives-on-agility/comment-page-1/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>pliantalliance.org &#187; Recursive Pliancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Steve Bates blogs about Perspectives on Agility has his concern for the trend towards rigid Agile processes. He talks a bit about psd and points out that &#8220;It’s also good to remember that even the techniques for determining what works best should be pliant and context-dependent.&#8221; This is exactly the sort of thinking I&#8217;m talking about. Awesome. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Steve Bates blogs about Perspectives on Agility has his concern for the trend towards rigid Agile processes. He talks a bit about psd and points out that &#8220;It’s also good to remember that even the techniques for determining what works best should be pliant and context-dependent.&#8221; This is exactly the sort of thinking I&#8217;m talking about. Awesome. [...]</p>
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